Driving Climate Finance: A Conversation with Jason Lee, CIMB Thai Bank''s Sustainability Head

17 Dec 2024
Driving Climate Finance: A Conversation with Jason Lee, CIMB Thai Bank''s Sustainability Head
Authors: SIPET Editorial Staff
Authoring Organisation: SIPET - Southeast Asia Information Platform for the Energy Transition
Posted At: 12-2024

Transition finance plays a pivotal role in reshaping Southeast Asia's energy and economic landscape. As the region grapples with decarbonization and sustainability targets, financial institutions are stepping up to address challenges unique to this transition. This month, SIPET Connect continues its Transition Finance Series with insights from Jason Lee, Head of Sustainability at CIMB Thai Bank. 

Jason is a GRI-Certified Sustainability Professional with expertise in frameworks like TCFD1 Recommendations (now IFRS S2) and carbon accounting under the GHG Protocol and PCAF2 Financed Emissions. Holding certifications in Sustainability and Climate Risk (GARP3) and ESG Investing (CFA Institute), Jason combines his engineering and legal training from the UK with extensive experience as a consultant and CEO of one of Asia’s Top 10 ESG & Sustainability Consulting Firms in 2022. At CIMB Thai, he drives sustainability policies, manages financed emissions, and fosters sustainable banking practices across Thailand and ASEAN. 

In this interview, Peter du Pont, Senior Advisor to SIPET and Co-CEO of Asia Clean Energy Partners, speaks with Jason to explore his work on transition finance and understand CIMB’s strategy for using transition finance and related climate finance mechanisms to support their clients’ transitions to low-carbon business models. Their conversation sheds light on how Thai banks like CIMB are leveraging transition finance to achieve meaningful climate impact while remaining competitive, and perhaps even gaining market share. 

 

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SIPET: How would you define “transition finance” in the context of Southeast Asia’s energy landscape? 

Jason: Transition finance, as I see it, operates on two interconnected levels. First, it’s about managing the emissions tied to our financial portfolios. At CIMB, we’re working to transition our loan books, investment portfolios, and overall balance sheets away from their traditional “high-carbon” nature—toward alignment with low-carbon pathways. This involves assessing and quantifying the emissions linked to every category in our portfolio, whether corporate loans, mortgages, or bonds. Once we have a clear picture, we can chart a structured pathway to achieving our net-zero goals. 

The second level is supporting the real economy as it transitions. This means helping companies decarbonize while ensuring that their operations remain viable. For instance, it’s not always about cutting absolute emissions but also about improving intensity metrics, such as CO₂ per megawatt-hour. Transition finance focuses on practical steps like managing the phase-out of coal plants or supporting shifts to cleaner fuels like natural gas or biogas. It’s about finding actionable solutions that address both business and environmental needs. 

In Southeast Asia, this dual role is critical because our economies are tied to industries like energy and manufacturing that can’t simply turn “green” overnight. Transition finance provides the tools to decarbonize in a managed, gradual way, ensuring that economic stability is maintained while progress is made toward sustainability targets. 

 

SIPET: How does transition finance differ from green or sustainable finance? 

Jason: Green finance is more straightforward. It’s governed by well-established principles, such as the Green Bond Principles or Green Loan Principles, and typically focuses on projects with clear environmental benefits, like solar power installations or wind farms. It’s about financing projects that are entirely “green” from the outset. Regulators around the world has also made it easier to counter greenwashing by issuing Taxonomies in their respective jurisdictions, such as the Thailand Taxonomy and the E.U. Taxonomy, to enable business and financial institutions to clearly classify “green” use-of-proceeds.  

Transition finance, however, is more nuanced and flexible. It’s not limited to financing green projects but instead supports the transition of industries that are traditionally carbon-intensive. For example, a cement plant looking to adopt carbon capture technology or a gas-fired power plant phasing into biogas would fall under transition finance. It also includes products like sustainability-linked loans, where financial benefits, like reduced interest rates, are tied to meeting emissions reduction targets or other sustainability metrics. 

This broader approach allows us to work with clients who are on their way to becoming greener but aren’t there yet. It’s especially relevant in Southeast Asia, where critical industries like energy, construction, and agriculture need financial backing to implement gradual but meaningful changes. Transition finance meets these sectors where they are and provides pathways for decarbonization. 

 

SIPET: What are the key drivers for Thai banks in financing climate and sustainability initiatives? 

Jason: For Thai banks, regulatory pressures and market demand are two major drivers. The Thai financial sector is increasingly aligning itself with global frameworks like the NZBA4, which requires banks to set and work toward sector-specific decarbonization targets. This alignment has made it essential for banks to rethink their exposure to carbon-intensive sectors. For instance, many now have "no coal" policies or are phasing out financing for upstream oil and gas projects. 

In addition to regulatory incentives, there’s growing demand from corporate clients for sustainability-linked financing. Many companies are under pressure to meet ESG [environmental, social, and governance] criteria and are turning to banks for tailored products that can help them achieve their climate and sustainability goals. Offering innovative solutions not only strengthens the relationship between banks and their clients but also positions the banks as partners in sustainability. 

Another driver is reputational. As awareness around climate change grows, banks need to demonstrate that they are part of the solution. Clients and investors are increasingly scrutinizing how financial institutions contribute to sustainability efforts, making climate-focused financing a competitive necessity rather than a choice. 

 

SIPET: Sustainability-Linked Loans are becoming more common among Thai banks.  These types of loans are designed to encourage borrowers to meet specific ESG [environmental, social, and governance] goals. But unlike green loans, which must fund eco-friendly projects, Sustainability-Linked Loans can be used for general business activities while linking financial terms to a company’s sustainability performance. Can you share an example of a sustainability-linked loan that CIMB Thai has financed? 

Jason: One standout example is the 3 billion baht ($88 million) sustainability-linked loan we provided to Asset World Corporation, a leader in real estate and hospitality. This loan is directly tied to emissions reduction targets across their operations, with annual external assurance audits to verify their progress. If the company meets its targets, their interest rate is reduced in the subsequent cycle. 

Another interesting case is our work with S Hotels & Resorts. For them, sustainability-linked finance helped implement measures such as renewable energy sourcing and waste reduction at their properties. These initiatives align with global ESG benchmarks while reducing their operational costs. 

What makes these loans effective is the alignment between financial incentives and environmental performance. It’s not just about financing projects but fostering partnerships where both parties are committed to meaningful environmental outcomes. 

 

SIPET: What are the challenges for banks to scale up sustainability-linked loans in Thailand? 

Jason: Yes, it’s a tricky balance. While sustainability-linked loans are gaining traction, they challenge traditional banking margins. When we reduce interest rates as clients meet sustainability targets, it directly impacts on our profitability. This creates an internal tension—banks aim to achieve better net interest margins, yet the incentives in these loans can reduce them. 

To address this, we’re rethinking how we manage funding costs. For instance, by ring-fencing ESG-linked deposits or accessing better interbank rates, we ensure that our lower lending margins are supported by reduced funding costs. It’s not just about profitability, though. These loans help build long-term relationships with clients, offering them not just financing but a path to decarbonization. 

Another challenge is awareness and adoption. Sustainability-linked loans are still relatively new in Thailand, and many businesses—especially SMEs—find the process complex or intimidating. To scale these products, we focus on simplifying terms, increasing awareness, and helping clients understand how these loans can directly benefit their operations and sustainability targets. It’s a learning curve, but one we’re committed to navigating.

 

SIPET: What aspects of de-risking and bankability are prioritized in renewable energy financing? 

Jason: De-risking is essential, especially for renewable energy projects in emerging markets. At CIMB, one of our key strategies is ring-fencing the use of proceeds. For example, if we’re financing a solar or carbon capture project, we ensure that the funds are strictly allocated to that purpose and don’t inadvertently support high-emission activities like coal plants. 

We also focus on regulatory risks. A good example is how we’ve supported projects anticipating Thailand’s carbon pricing mechanisms. By aligning financing with potential policy changes, we ensure that our clients are not only compliant but also ahead of the curve. 

For instance, when working with an energy company on green and transition projects, we conducted in-depth scenario analysis to assess future energy tariffs and carbon tax impacts. By doing so, we helped the client reduce risks and secure the financial viability of their project. 

 

SIPET: How does CIMB support clients who are transitioning from traditional to low-carbon business models? 

Jason: Supporting clients in their energy transition requires both financing and strategic guidance. For example, Banpu has undergone a significant transformation over the years. Initially a regional coal company, Banpu has diversified into a broader energy player with significant green energy investments. Their phased approach illustrates how transition finance can support companies in adapting their business models to align with decarbonization goals. Financing these shifts involves understanding their long-term strategy and aligning with their intermediate milestones. 

Another strong example is our engagement with a petrochemical company where we mapped out a decarbonization pathway involving cleaner energy sourcing and green hydrogen integration. These projects highlight how traditional industries can adopt innovative solutions while remaining competitive. 

But it’s not just about financing projects; it’s also about providing technical and strategic guidance. Many clients face transition risks but lack the expertise to navigate them. We aim to bridge that gap by offering insights into how they can achieve sustainable growth. 

 

SIPET: What trends do you foresee for Thailand’s financial sector in the area of transition finance? 

Jason: I see two key trends emerging. First, there is the adoption of sector-specific decarbonization targets, particularly in high-emission industries like energy, cement, and steel. This is being driven by frameworks like the NZBA, which provide clear benchmarks for banks to follow. 

Second, there’s a growing focus on innovation in financial products. For example, combining sustainability-linked loans with other ESG instruments could open new opportunities for clients while reinforcing the bank’s market positioning as a climate leader. 

 

SIPET: What guidance would you offer to banks in Thailand, or in Southeast Asia more broadly who are seeking to play a leadership role in transition finance? 

Jason: My advice would be to start by integrating science-based targets and pathways into your financing frameworks. This ensures that your efforts align their business operations with global decarbonization pathways and this will enhance your credibility with clients and investors. 

Second, focus on providing advisory services. While Thai banks traditionally don’t charge fees for advisory work, offering guidance on frameworks like the Thai Taxonomy or Green Bond Principles can build long-term value. It positions the bank not just as a lender but as a trusted partner in the client’s sustainability journey. 

Finally, be proactive. Transition finance is a rapidly evolving space, and banks that can adapt to changing regulations and market demands will have a significant competitive advantage. 

 

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Editor’s note: This conversation with Jason Lee underscores the pivotal role of transition finance in reshaping Southeast Asia’s energy future. By aligning financial strategies with decarbonization pathways and fostering innovation in sustainability-linked products, CIMB Thai Bank is setting a strong example for the region’s financial sector. 

However, the journey is not without challenges. From addressing profitability trade-offs to navigating evolving regulatory landscapes, financial institutions must act as both enablers and advisors to their clients. Jason’s insights highlight not only the opportunities for banks to lead in transition finance but also the importance of collaboration—across sectors, industries, and geographies—to achieve a sustainable and inclusive future for Southeast Asia.